Posts by Mr. Majestic

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Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

Dacheech makes a fair point destroying someones religion is nothing like a burning building, using that type of analagy is just justifying what you know is unloving actions. Jesus did not destroy the jews in the way you would the witnesses becasue he understood from his father the 'God of love' how to do things in loving way and how to respect people's choices.

Reniaa,

I think that we have come to the end of the limitations of our differing perspectives. I genuinely and honestly don’t see that saving people from the harm and abused of a religion I used to associate with as ‘unloving’. I see it as the complete contrary. Seeing first hand the pain that many members suffered needlessly when I was in it is what drives me now to save these people. That is genuine love of people. I sincerely wish to help these people away from something that I have seen is very abusive.

As for your references about what Jesus and Jehovah did, I can’t equate with characters I no longer believe in. If they are what I believe them to be, i.e. total fantasy, they didn’t actually do a single thing for anybody. It is just a story in a book which didn’t take place. So please excuse me if I don’t stack up to these fantasy figures and what they supposedly did for anyone. I am just trying to do my best with the information I have and make peoples lives better in any way that I can, and if I see people suffering from following a mistaken philosophy and I can help then I lovingly will..

Like I have said before, I am overjoyed to have been able to save the few people that I have from the harmful cult I have just left, and there is not one of them that doesn’t now thank me for showing them the truth about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. All of them prefer knowing. So knowing the benefits of helping these people is what now drives me to help many others, which I intend to do, despite your disapproval, and like Paul said “ the way I am directing my blows is so as not to be striking the air”….

Really enjoyed chatting to you…..

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

My sole motive is not to destroy that support structure which most admit on here is their motive freedom from this is enough they say.

So are we to leave them in a harmful, abusive cult just because we don’t have another ‘faith’ to replace it with….??

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70 years = 607?

by allelsefails in

70 years of captivity?.

i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

Mr. Majestic

I must admit Scholar, being as impartial as I can possibly be, I have seen many times on here that you have had your ass kicked.

It is just that your head is so far buried in the sand you failed to notice.

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

Atheism has no attraction for me becasue It gives people no reason to do more than this following scripture.

Well, firstly Reniaa, I am definitely not an atheist, as if you would care to take the time to look through a few of my past posts on this forum you will see that I actually attack that concept as rigorously as the concept of religious faith.

Your way offers no hope just acceptance of death which for me just isn't an option, I am a fighter :)

But if it is a fact that if your faith and belief isn’t true, then death awaits you as much as it does me. It's just that I accept it and you can't...

But just to say Reniaa, your posts to me are very telling as to the deeper reason why you hold so tightly to the faith of the JW’s. Thank you for being so honest…

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

You think taking away any belief in God is the best thing for people?

If that 'god' proved not to exist and the belief in him proved to be harmful to people, then yes I would say that it would be the best thing..

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Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

Hi mrmajestic

You think taking away any belief in God is the best thing for people? and you alternative gives us life beyond death?

Hope for eternal life?

Reniaa

Reniaa, if your beliefs and faith are not true and all lies, then you don’t offer any of those things either……

What would there be to gain if such was the case..??

It is better to live in reality than fantasy surely..??

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

A number of people inc sir82 mrmajestic, isaac, and the borg have expressed the opinion that destroying someone faith in Jehovah's witnesses (I refuse to say wtbs which is just apostate silliness) and Jehovah because invaribly it means both since in following Jehovah we are unique. that by destroying faith in these means they are free?

Free to do what?

This question has already been answered in our previous posts. We have seen through religion and offer people life without religion in their lives. It is not so much as what they will do when they are free but more from what they are being freed from. When you see people imprisoned and oppressed you desire to help alleviate where you can.

they are released into the shark infested waters of life with no hope not even of resurrection. Jesus was clear they had to be part of the body but which Body? Or are you guys saying you think as long as they are released from Jws they will get ressurrected by Jesus? and have eternal hope even when they no longer know which god is real?

What you are failing to account for here Reniaa is that we are no longer deluded by faith in any way, so we don’t see that there is necessity for there to be a ‘resurrection’, you don’t need a ‘body’ to belong to and that the hope that a belief will give them is only a fanciful story from a book that is only as pertinent as any other fairy story. We have seen through it all and know that it is not true.

What freedom is there in destroying my faith so I have to rebuild it from scratch thats if I even can?

If you wish to hold onto your faith then that is entirely up to you. But the freedom that is beyond faith is probably beyond what your indoctrinated mind could grasp right now. So it would be pointless trying to explain it to you.

If you take away someones God how can you give yourself a congratulating slap on the back?

Easy..!! If someone is suffering under the yoke of a ‘god’ that doesn’t exist, under an organisation that causes great harm to thousands and clearly lie about things, and you can free someone from that, that surely has to be worth a huge pat on the back when you can liberate them. Their faith was oppressive to them and completely unnecessarily so, being that none of it was true. If you can see that and free someone from such an institution then that is a wonderful thing to have the power to do.

I think the problem here for you Reniaa is that we can see life without the delusion of faith and you find that whole concept difficult to grasp, being that you desperately seem to need it for some reason, which is clear for everyone here to see.

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Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

hi mr majastic I think you are right theer, you never hear any daughters called Jezabel either hehe.

Reniaa

I don’t know about that…..

I have heard many a parent call their growing teenage daughter ‘Jezebel’

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

hi majestic

I too like saul as a name better hmm nobody picks it much for there kids these days :)

Yeah…. I noticed that as well. I wonder if it is because the bible vilifies that name: i.e. king Saul was a bastard to David and went against god….. and Paul when he was Saul was a bit of a git as well.??

347

Are You Paul or are you Saul?

by reniaa in

jw
friends

this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

Mr. Majestic

Actually, out of the two names I think that I would rather be called Saul. It has a far better ring to it.

I get the picture of a rough rugged type, like Russell Crow, where as Paul….. most of the Paul’s I have met are tossers (no offence to any posters that share that name….except if you actually are a tosser called Paul..)